The Music Industry Is Breaking
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In this episode of the Top Music Attorney Podcast, Entertainment Attorney, Miss Krystle discusses why the music industry may finally be reaching a breaking point in the fight over AI music. From TIDAL refusing to pay royalties on fully AI generated songs to Google's push for broader AI training rights and new proposals for AI labeling, this episode explores how streaming platforms, tech companies, lawmakers, and record labels are taking very different positions on the future of music. The biggest question is no longer just copyright. It is consent, transparency, and who controls the future of artists' work.
It's gonna get to the point where artists don't mass distribute anything digitally at all. They are going to write their own songs. Then resort to scarcity-based invite-only distribution like this: They will only perform their songs in small venues with very low cover charges where people are frisked at the door for recording devices, have their phones impounded, and then at the end of this highly secured knock-out direct-to-consumer showcase performance, anyone who wants to buy the record will be charged $100 as an initial access fee to the recording, and a 10 cent per track per play billed to their credit card with top-out maximum of another $100 bucks.
0:00 The Music Industry Is Breaking
0:36 TIDAL Draws a Hard Line on AI
what about music, that has been covered by AI, while keeping the composer/writer credits to a real person ?
2:10 Why Is This Happening Now
3:11 Google's Push to Change Copyright
I write lyrics based on the events of MY life. No AI on this planet knows who I am nor what I've been through. It's MY story. My lyrics should not be devalued because I used AI to put music to the lyrics. If you have $10,000 to hire a studio band more power to you but most of us don't. AI is just a tool. It's not an end all. Are big logging companies going now to file a lawsuit against me for using a chainsaw? Don't say it's not the same thing because it's exactly the same thing. AI is just a tool, just like the equipment used by the sound engineer in a recording studio. Just a tool. If you take a case representing a record label, do it for the right reason. Remember just because you get paid to represent them is NOT THE RIGHT REASON.
5:13 The New AI Labeling Proposal
6:26 Why Transparency Matters
And now AI has hit the actors full tilt. Very soon movies, once the tech improves and evolves, will have all AI actors that eventually will be natural and good, maybe "as good" as real actors. Then what? End of actors? AI can train on all acting since the beginning of movie pictures! And create super AI actors. It's come and is coming. The argument becomes does society and law want to protect human creatives, and careers, as the source of all things creative? Maybe we all want to protect it. But what about the new generation? Or the generation after that? Will they care? This is partly the elephant in the room question.
7:00 Madonna Joins the AI Debate
7:33 Is the Industry Finally Choosing a Side
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Ai has been there for decades even lyrics generator just google it. It was under a different name now the industry is mad people has access to what they gatekept for yeras. These people aint slick we were scammed
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So, what do I have to do? I'm using Suno AI as arrangement, restlyling tool (as virtual studio). I upload my melody and harmony and mostly pretty happy with outcome. So, basically if my music is going to be labeled as AI generates, it is not true reflection of my work. I'm pretty upset about all of this. 😢
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So.. autotune, quantization, chopping up 60 takes into one single track, full rack of effects, ripping off samples, etc.. all totally okay, but Ai bad lol 🤦♂
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When I go to the market to buy some products, I don't want to be cheated. It is simple like that. I see all the ingredients on the label, and I decide is it worth of spending money on it. Any human product should not be different; I have to know what I am buying. Let's all kind of enthusiasts of AI to create all they want but they have to show their ingredients. And the buyer is to decide what he wants to pay for.
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Rap music is dead because it was a government psyop that was funded by Democrats and USAID for 40 years. Everything and everyone is fake.
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Play n create ur own music. I play guitar and use a looper. Endless fun. My whole body rejects the sounds of today. Their frequencies do not match our natural resonance.
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Broken not breaking and I am grateful for AI as a person who is an Artist as a graphic designer I find Suno like a sketch book. I am creating and I feel the people who violate tools like AI for profit sucks and is just as corrupt as labels so this is nothing new 😂
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You probably learned by playing other people's songs too, right? And did you know that many bloggers create covers and teach music using those very same songs?
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Ai is Automation.
Y’all just content farming.
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If they are banning AI music they should also ban all the tools used to make music, since they also make making music easier .... great logic
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We need to stop encouraging bands to have hot sexualize kids in their videos. They must be getting paid a ton for this, because they are everywhere. It is probably the right wind who seduces us with their porn industry to black mail us.
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Please TMA address an elephant in the room. I.E original songs upload to make a 'cover' of our IP via the likes of Suno. I venture to suggest, many pro musicians are taking this approach. Where does our IP land when we produce a cover of our own song/tune via AI?
@neiljamessloanHello. Ive been listening to music for over 40 years and from where I'm listening (and a large portion of music listeners) it broke down in the 90s somewhere. There are a variety of factors - mostly people dont learn music anymore - playing instruments, music theory, music education but also incentives have changed , motivation (why do it), and finally, the people running the music industry don't care about music. Channels of music delivery and promotion (ubiquity) has also destroyed it.
@honeybeezyallIt’s great when the lawyers show up,:
@drachenmarkeI'm sorry, but PEOPLE listen to music made by PEOPLE and "steal" their music all the time. We are "trained" on music data, and we do what monkey's do... we imitate it. Sooooo, we're outrages because AI is doing more or less the same thing? Wow.
Sorry, I kind of think it's a red herring to say that AI is "stealing" music when it is being trained. It's doing the same thing that people do... taking in a lot of content and regurgitating many of the same elements. This is starting to sound like rhetoric to me.
Hmm, I think I will copyright the note middle "C", so no one can use that note any more without paying me. Oh, and I copyrighted the major scale, so yeah, sorry, no more major scale for you either. REALLY?
My eyes roll at the panic I'm seeing. I listen to AI music on my home system when I need some background music... so yeah, maybe AI is putting a certain amount of Muzak musicians out of business. Whatever. I would never buy an AI song or album, or go to an AI ocncert. AI writes LOTS of music, but it just isn't EVER going to be as good or as cool or as compelling as a human band can be. It's just won't. You all need to stop freaking out, AI is a just tool. It isn't stealing YOUR music. That I-IV-V diddy that you 'wrote'. LOL, guitarists are so outraged when companies 'borrow' the Fender Stratocaster body shape, and Fender sues them. "How can they do that? That's AWFUL". Yet, even the NOTION that AI might be training on published music has all of you running around like you hair is on fire. Do you not see the hypocrisy? Jesus people, it's gonna be OK.
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@typhon4829I refuse to listen to AI music. If it is not a band I can actually buy a ticket, or would have been able to in the past, I simply don’t listen. It’s not artificial intelligence- that is just a good marketing label. It’s machine learning. It has good uses, but it cannot replace actual intelligence. (At least not yet. A chimp brain has billions of neurons with multiple connections on each one. Maybe a quantum based machine in decades from now will be there.)
@scottwheeler2494AI music cannot be copyrighted at this point as I understand it. So openly steal it.
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@Cuties-rhsWouldn't surprise me if the US courts land on a decision that training an AI is fair use (transformative) but that using that AI to generate competing output is not (affect on market). But different territories have different copyright rules and exemptions to really it's anyone's guess.
@drewstephensonTHERE IS ANOTHER SITE CALLED 'CURIOUS' WHERE ONE CAN UPLOAD THERE MUSIC, ART ETC. WOULD YOU PLEASE LOOK AT 'CURIOUS' TERM IF DETERMINE IS LEGIT AND GOOD ALL FOR ONE, ONE FOR ALL. MEMBER. THANK YOU
@Michael-y1h2tIf you are a professional recording artist, do what you do, sell your music and performances and stop whining about AI. It is well known so called professionals have been using AI to aid them in song writing and music production for years. That is why so much of today's music sounds the same. Now that this technology is available to the general population, they are not happy about what affect this will have on the future of their careers. That goes for the music industry as a whole. As the saying goes, a thief trusts no one. I say that because artists have been stealing and mimicking other peoples work for decades, in part or whole. The only thing new about it is the technology that's made it much easier.
@nickmcnellis3937I would argue that real artist use other real artist as reference it’s a standard thing in real music so it should be struck down in court. That would give everyone the right to sue each other if you’re song sounds like someone else
@christopherphillips520The music industry been breaking for the past 10 years
@cartier2312Knowing everything I know, I think it's just nuts to ever consider releasing my original music now. Makes no sense to me. My fans now are just random new people hearing me live for the first time. If they like me enough, my band, etc, then they'll buy merch. They won't find my originals on streaming platforms but that is 100% fine by me!!
@auralexperiencerecordsI got 200 000 vieuws on my last short. And I dropped a video with Rome Music . But Google Censorship my vieuws because I cursed. And now I’m forced to go LGBTQ. 🏳️🌈
@Genetic25Yo, I just went 2 court. Got problems with WestSideBoogie Because of it. Because they put me on some Britney Case. I Asked for a lawyer, she don’t want to give me one. The Judge eventually said I was right. And I always have the right for a lawyer. Now they gave me a lawyer who is on vacation. But the trail continues .
@Genetic25In my opinion most artists sound exactly alike these days anyway. Just pick a genre and everything new in the genre sounds pretty much the same. Take pop music for example, every darn female artist sounds exactly the same. Country music, which is not even country music anymore, sounds exactly the same. These so called artists are stealing and mimicking other artists because they think by doing so they will become or remain successful. There is no originality in music creation, it doesn't exist anymore, there are no standouts and no originals. It's like they too are modeling their so called original music with AI themselves. One thing for sure, if AI steals their livelihoods (which is what they are actually worried about), we won't have to listen to them screaming and shouting at us from their soapboxes on who to vote for, and how we should think, because they won't have a soapbox to stand on. So if these so called professional artists fall to the wayside, perhaps we can get back to making real music, in our pubs, local parks and amphitheaters with real artists who only care about making real art. Instead of those who think they are untouchable and now charging nearly a thousand dollars per concert ticket to attend a performance. The crap that comes out of my FM radio these days isn't even tolerable, it's just a bunch of noise with no human element, no emotion, no real creativity. Music of yesteryear that held these same elements to high standard are so played out because there is hardly anything new worth tuning into.
@nickmcnellis39373:25 Der richtige Schluss von Google, auf den Punkt!
@CoolerBaum-o2mDu meinst also, wenn ich das richtig verstanden habe, dass KI keine direkte 1 zu 1 Kopie von einem Song herstellt, aber, was für dich logisch identisch ist, wenn man ALLE Trainingsdaten quasi als einen Meta-Song begreifen würde, es dann schon eine identische 1 zu 1 Kopie sein würde, weil man sich ja aus den gesamten Daten des Meta-Songs bedient.
Logisch stimmt es, aber es bleibt dann IMMER NOCH die Frage der rechtlichen Legitimität über, und die wurde bisher mit der"Fairen-Nutzungs-Regel" beantwortet. Da ich Suno nutze, sollte es so bleiben, aber es sollte Begrenzungen der KI-Veröffentlichung geben, so maximal 10 Songs pro Monat, pro Person, das wäre dann auch fair.
I don’t think it’s breaking, I think they are trying to come up with ways not to pay people , because a stream, is a stream , is a stream, it should to matter if it’s full ai, half ai, …..it’s still a stream, people are fans, they listen they buy .
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@axistiltproductionsAs someone who has been a performer, recording artist, and DJ myself, in additional to being a huge music fan and collector since I was a young child, I can tell you this! Based on all my years of experience, I've come to the conclusion that most people just want to be entertained. They just want to hear music that they enjoy, and that they can dance to and since along to, and they just want to have a good time and a positive experience. And as time goes by, nostalgia also becomes very important, and they want to hear music that brings back memories. People generally don't care very much about all the things that you might logically think music fans should or would care about! It's very unfortunate, but audiences really don't care that much about musical or vocal talent, how real or genuine the music is, how authentic a performance is, whether or not auto-tune or pitch correction was used, whether or not a song featured live musicians, or ANYTHING else along those lines. In many cases, they don't even care very much if an entire band or group is fired, and replaced by a whole new lineup of members performing under the same name as the original, or if they are all replaced by A.I. People simply want to hear music that they personally like, and that makes them feel good. I'm not trying to justify anything, and I'm not trying to complain about anything. I'm just saying that in my own experience, that's basically how it is!
@derekblaustein6013That's make all the music free so everybody can make music ❤❤❤❤❤
@mikalroyhansen9586Let's make all music fucking free 😂😂😂
@mikalroyhansen9586Why not let the consumers decide? There's alot of AI music that i rather listen to than human....
@DarryShan-d3q10k listeners per month? That's huge. I'm a human musician and creator, I've got 50 on a good month.
@DavidLiljaWhat is even the point anymore? There's so much content out there. Every day there's something new. Every day we are bombarded with endless media. Who cares about my music? Who cares about your music? Anything you put out will probably just get stolen and fed to AI anyway. Am I being to pessimistic? Or am I just being realistic? Ever since 2020, it seems the world has gone to shit, and it's never been the same.
@micsnzGreat video, I really love your work. July 15th, well done tidal, I've long advocated to take profit out of any ai use, make ai use 100% taxable if companies pay them & boycott ai users who do it for money
@masterreacts11not 10k streams per month to get the verified badge (1:36). It is 10k ACTIVE monthly listeners. Which is a much harder ask than streams
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