What’s HAPPENING With The Jeju Air Crash Investigation?!

What is the point of advising pilots there are large numbers of birds in an area where there are……………large numbers of birds? They either move the birds ( not possible) or MOVE THE AIRPORT.

Those antenna were at the beginning of the runway. The airplane landed reverse on the runway.

A case of misadventures,feces occurs,just tell the truth.

i know wat happened, they crashed into a wall

Omg , please do not keep repeating the same information over and over and over again in one video.
It's an insult to your viewers.
Anyone with at least one brain cell will be annoyed.
Please keep it simple and constructive 😊
Thank you 😊

Environmental factors are important in this case. Why was an airport built near a well known bird site? Why is there a concrete barrier at the end of a runway??

There a few things that doesn't add up...
It's textbook by now, that in case of bird strike the APU should be started.
How can the plane loose all power if the right engine was "operational" on landing (based on the report), and how can it possible that both FDR and CVR stopped recording?
Moreover, the landing gear can pe dropped gravtiationally...
If still the right engine was operational but not providing electric power, the RAT shoud have deployed, but no info on that...

Even if they turned off the left engine, there are too many missing links for insinuating anything...

What’s HAPPENING With The Jeju Air Crash Investigation?!

Thanks to YouTube’s algorithm being such a mess, I only just came across this video now, even though I watch the channel quite regularly. Hard to believe it’s been almost eight months since the Jeju Air Flight 2216 disaster. The new details you covered in this update are really interesting and raise a lot of questions.

I’ve been thinking about some of the things you mentioned in previous videos. Could it be that the cockpit was filled with smoke, causing the crew to shut down the engine they thought was the correct one, but—because of the poor visibility—were unable to confirm they had pulled the right handle? And maybe, with the cockpit full of smoke, they believed they had lowered the landing gear when in fact they hadn’t?

Also, I was wondering why the APU wasn’t switched on. Was it not functioning, simply not used, or does this aircraft type not have an APU at all?

Really appreciate the detailed analysis as always—thanks for keeping us updated on this investigation.

Why RAT was mot deployed?

I will never fly there of my own free will.

Isn't there a battery of some type for the fdr and voice recorder to continue to provide data?

At this point they need the NTSB to take over; clearly they would do a better job than the ARAIB, considering that the aircraft is American made

I wonder if they reacted by shutting down the left engine because they could smell "fried chicken" because both engines ingested birds, and they know that the air for the cockpit A/C is fed from the left engine. So they assumed that because they could smell it, then the problem must have been with the left engine. Just a hypothesis.

I would like to ask how rare it for a bird strike to simultaneously cause serious damage to both engines of a plane? My guess is that is vanishingly rare, and no-one in the industry had ever expected it to happen. Therefore, the pilots of this aircraft had never practised how to respond. However, if small ordinary ducks have the potential to do this, then surely the whole industry needs to think again ?

Petter thank you for the update. I was always unclear about whether it was established that the birdstrike happened before the go-around was declared (there were suggestions in earlier reports that the pilots had decided to abandon the approach because they saw birds, even before the tower sent a warning, but these did not make it clear when the birdstrike happened.) I had always assumed this was the case given the video of the compressor stall, which was from the initial approach from the south (see paragrahs below.) Seeing your graph of the timeline (and the card held by an investigator at the press conference of the partial ATC transcript) made this clear.

One thing that was not clear in your graph was when there was a shutdown of the left engine - the diagram in the NY Times article you referenced in a screenshot shows a time estimated at 08:58:45 (and the loss of data recording from 0:858:50 - this is slightly off the timing in your graph.) Your graph also shows that after the go-around call was made (because of the birdstrike) there was an initial increase in vertical speed - I guess these are indications that the go-around started normally but this positive vertical speed was very brief and never translated into a climb before it went back down - (before the engines might have lost power?) But it does appear that this rise and equally rapid drop in positive vertical speed happened before the left engine was shut down. would this mean that there was a loss of power which prevented a climb out, and would this indicate that both engines were failing? I know that this cannot be definitively answered until the FDR data is revealed, but might this be a sign that something was wrong with BOTH engines? As you mentioned, the left engine was found at cutoff, but maybe this decision was made because this was necessary?

Related note: I can't recall whether you mentioned this in your other video, but just FWIW the clip showing the compressor stall in the right engine was shot as the aircraft made its initial approach to the airport from the south - its original final approach. This video was taken from the rooftop of a tourist accomodation on the shore area south of the airport (this building is fairly new, and isnt't on Google Maps, but it appears on Korean map applications). This clip appears to be the only footage publicly available of the initial approach and the compressor stall in the right engine - as another commenter mentioned, investigators may have been able to get more footage from private and government CCTVs (which are everywhere in Korea) - but to my knowledge there is no publicly available footage of birdstrikes and any compressor stalls from the left engine yet. It seems like this question hasn't been addressed.

Your point that updates like this are necessary, but need to be balanced and offer clear context in order to do any good - this was clearly not accomplished in this case. I do think this 'narrative' that the pilots shut down the 'wrong engine' is not just premature, but an egregious failure of objectivity from the investigation. It is one thing to acknowledge the culture that exists here in South Korea: the hierarchy, the relative lack of experience/foresight/perspective and objectivity in processes like these; the record from the recent past (Sewol ferry) and the mistrust this has created; the emotions that have prevented even well-intentioned efforts to provide info. More broadly, in S. Korea, as a relatively young modern society, social development hasn't caught up in many ways (witness the gender divide, which has become toxic in a uniquely Korean way) - which leads to extreme responses based on emotion. The media also hasn't really provided a unified, coherent perspective on this tragedy - in many ways this hasn't improved from the coverage of the Sewol tragedy, but this has been lacking for a long time.

It is interesting you mentioned the nature of the reporting on this in the West (the headlines indicating potential leanings), because I have also noticed it has been extremely difficult to find a news report from a mainstream Western source with a coherent timeline of events, or including all relevant details. It is a difficult job to report a complicated story completely, with concise yet accurate framing of context and recaps, but this case really has been revealing.

Great analysis, Petter!! You would be an incredible asset to any transportation safety board!!

The whole thing seems like pilot error, but regardless, if that wall wasn't there and they overran into an empty field, everyone could still be alive.

Would they have survived if they ditched in the bay beyond the end of the runway - sort of like how Sully did in the Hudson?

Excellent video and quite important given the shoddy initial report on the Air India crash which leads one to believe in pilot suicide. My only dislike about this video is the faint music in the background. It is soft enough to make one wonder “why bother” and loud enough to be particularly annoying to a musician. Please don’t do this in future episodes….it adds nothing of any value.

(Complete non-pilot here so divine ignorance) If on final approach with literally seconds left to keep the plane in the air... shouldn't even a fire warning in your engines be ignored? I KNOW it's dangerous, but keeping the plane flying seems like something far more important than a warning. I'm just curious here - no judgement at all one way or the other.

Thank you Petter for your fantastic way of explaining things. Kind regards, André

Floght data recorders still dont have an independent backup battery? Cant believe....

In the past you limited your discussions to using a final report and your reasons were that using an interim report does NOT show the whole picture and therefore can come to the wrong conclusion.

Whilst it can be useful for you to comment when "jumping to the wrong conclusion" has already been done by others, I am not sure it is such a good idea for you to do the same, one way or another in this case - this is more a case of emotions and politics getting in the way of calm rational analysis, rather than discussing what happened and how we can learn from it, which is the strength of your channel.

Sitting in our armchairs with the all the data and already knowing the consequences of what actually happened, we can all make better decisions than a pilot under pressure with perhaps less information than us reviewing the black box data and knowing the state of the engines from forensic analysis. "We" would certainly have lowered the landing gear manually and landed in the right place given the time available, as they clearly had enough height and the seconds to do that - ha - of course excluding the startle factor and the stress effect that our armchairs afford.

Perhaps you are running out of accidents to discuss ? My view is that it is better to stick to final reports, rather than jump into the middle of a half-baked accident report with emotional misinformed people all shouting at each other against a backdrop of government mistrust.

I think you'd be hard-pressed to find any Canadian that would characterise the Toronto Star as "right-leaning"!

Both they and the CBC are regularly complained of in the (actually right-leaning) National Post and Globe and Mail as being leftist news outlets.

South Korea and their victim blaming attitude. I remember survivors and their families from accidents like this often times were harassed even by the general public, just despicable.

This is like the 5th plane crash I've heard about where they shut down the WRONG engine...how is that possible!?

I still don't understand why the landing gear was not dropped even if they couldn't do it the conventional way surely the manual gear release should have worked

Koreans are notorious for corruption and cover-ups, see previous scandals with PM, Samsung etc

Why did they go around first time?