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Sam Harris

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Sam Harris Revisits His Most Controversial Episode

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Sam Harris speaks with Kathryn Paige Harden about behavioral genetics, moral luck, and the problem of blame. They discuss Harden's book Original Sin, the controversy over Charles Murray and Ezra Klein, why behavioral genetics remains taboo, the meaning of heritability, nature and nurture as feedback loops, why biological explanations can increase blame, psychopathy as a continuum, a hypothetical cure for evil, embryo selection and IVF, and other topics.

Her talk with Chris Williamson was really good!

— @robrich7846

Kathryn Paige Harden, Ph.D., is a Professor of Psychology at the University of Texas at Austin, where she directs the Developmental Behavior Genetics lab and serves as Director of Clinical Training. Paige is a graduate of Furman University and the University of Virginia. She has published over 150 scientific papers on the nature and nurture of human behavior. She is also the author of two books: The Genetic Lottery (2021) and Original Sin (2026).

Website: kpharden.com

The US has its very own unique set of ‘melting pot’ dilemmas.
Because it was built, not as a place to transplant one single community,
and all of its peoples, customs and values. But purely as a place,
for constant wealth creation. Everyone is accepted to be part of,
the US project, yet only if they agree to wealth creation as the,
nations sole purpose. No socialism or political utopias. Just a place, 
where nothing is free, every person makes a fiscal profit off every, 
interaction. So that every sector of society has been fully monetised. 
There is no sense of community or unity above personal wealth generation. 
Most other non-western societies fully accept the reality of racism or, 
tribal nationalism. It is normal to have a nation made of up various, 
regional tribes… that look almost identical… to outsiders.They’re, 
homogenous communities which enjoy great satisfaction from the joint, 
history and cultural connection they share with each other. Seamless,
cooperation and trust are usually very high. IQ doesn't need to be high,
because not everyone is out to exploit you for personal profit.
Life usually has a more calm ebb and flow to it. It is a more natural existence.

The US is stuck in an experiment, ( which Europe is also mimicking) can,
pure wealth creation be a better societal glue than nationalism or tribalism.
When tribalism is all humans have ever known, for at least three hundred,
thousand years… possible even a lot longer. The answer is obviously no,
but Caucasians invented the experiment and they always know best.
So if you think their experiment is ill-advised… you’ll probably be labelled a racist.

— @commonwunder

X: @kph3k

Related Episode: https://samharris.org/episode/SEC04543DA5

Any who has objectively looked into the research on group differences comes to the same conclusion: group differences are individual differences. There's a reason that the environmentalist side of the debate talks about an X factor - because no environmental factors are able to explain the persistent gap in developed countries.

— @LajkonikSmok

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Shameless and unapologetic. Hard to listen to her weasely explanation.

— @LajkonikSmok

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Like the Wiley E Coyote the reality anvil tethered to a fine thread sits above their head and doesn't come crashing down until they notice it's there after they look up. I admire you Sam, your logic and common sense gives me hope in this increasingly idiotic world.

@thatsagoodoneson
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"In sorry. I was wholly wrong of ne to insinuate that you are racist, Sam."

There. That how an apology is made. No qualification.

@MrAjfish
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Stunning

@ramjack22
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Vocal fry associated abdication of responsibility commences at 06:58

@DFB5268
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Sam Harris feels like an older brother to me. Someone I can look up to, someone who has been there, someone to mould my mind after.

@marcschulze6290
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Wouldn't it make more sense to talk to Klein himself?

@milkhoney1631
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Sometimes I wish that I could be as sane and grounded as Sam usually is, but somehow I seem to have issues with that, now and again,. But trust me,,. I do try to say and do things that I (at least in the moment) feel is the 100% right thing to do or say. I just hope that I don't burn too many bridges, or whatever else I might be doing by going too hard or too much outside of the normal norms, etc..

@Norwikian
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How do people with upspeak and vocal fry and silly vowel dipthongs get jobs as professors? I cant listen to this conversation because of this awful american accent

@SolarisBali
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I agree. Right wing extremism would be just as bad if we policed who is talking to who and allowing “woke” progressive opinions.

@TheFermiParadox_Bizonc
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Too bad Sam allows his Israel support to completely overshadow his ability to seem reasonable about so many other things.

@-C-D-A-
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Mr. Harris I would like you to do a segment on the Maine candidates.

@Escultor-7
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Something very attractive about her.

@TheFermiParadox_Bizonc
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Merci.

@ErnestoBlanco-k1o
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OMG!!! I remember all this!!! Sam u have been vindicated.... finally...

@Mrdilipm
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(1) If we think about it, we just KNOW that quite a few of the uber-wealthy 1% will be customizing their offspring to the max--even while they publicly speak against it, to be in line with the conservative/religious population segments who follow them as "influencers," and who vote the way the 1%'s dark-money wealth is telling them to vote. Hypocrisy, to say the least. (2) We still don't know how changing so many parts of our genome in kids--all done to "protect" them from our apparent potential genetic fallibilities--will change other parts of our genome that we still haven't connected or thought to study, and this is extremely concerning. Even the most well-meaning science can be blind to unforeseen consequences of its research--science HAS NO CONSCIENCE, after all--it's pure intellect with no acknowledgement of the EMOTIONAL, which is where conscience lives. And medical science motivated and directed by PROFIT is even more impervious to conscience.

@rebekahlevy4562
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I can tell if you're home owner by your comment

@richardhildebrandt1440
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Crazy how only the bad guys are left standing and we have to listen to them realize their own hypocrisy from the place of influence it earned them.

@Reactnormally
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This young lady could try a little censorship of the vocal tic of inserting “like” into every other sentence.

@walterbenjamin1386
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Why does she talk like that 8:55

@WillyJunior
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The SPLC recently showed its hand and its not good. Why Sam labors over his being called out by them is ill focused.

@davidchirico9461
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I try so hard to hear Sam Harris out, but when he starts by blaming the people on the left he doesn’t agree with for the success of people on the right he doesn’t agree with, it sounds a lot like the argument is everyone who disagrees with Sam Harris is supposed to be the problem.

@warrenrross
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She is cute.

@Footloose707
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Parents of mixed-raced children can see that the race conversation is juvenile and unserious and mostly for people that need to believe they are superior due solely to their race. We are ALL a mixture of several difference "races". We all come from thousands of different monkeys.
If you count back about 30 generations you will see that YOU have over a "BILLION" grandparents. Some of those grandparents won't be white.🤣 The conversation about race and IQ is tired and weak. You compare people with vastly different experiences in America and conclude the people that had the most privilege and status are naturally superior because they test better. And the people that faced the most challenging environment, are inferior.

@Lonnie32120031
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Sam is happy to call Trumpism a backlash to wokeness, but I remember him taking the fully opposite view when talking about fundamentalist Islam as a backlash against US foreign policy or anti-religious activism.

He used to be right about so many things, if only he could speak honestly with his former self. Racism and white supremacy is not a response, it’s history, the history “wokeness” is responding to. The current “backlash” is the death throes of a dying breed.

@jamesstephenbrown
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Has Sam Harris admitted to overreacting over being criticized? For a while there he was consumed by it to the point where I had to tune out.

@northernbrother1258
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Listening to this Islamophobe and GAZA Genocide supporter talk about "moral panic" is ironymus ultra extremus.

@petes9524
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If a University tries to platform a pseudointellectual fraud like Charles Murray, the students have not only the right to protest it, they have the obligation to protest it.

@markrussell4682
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Harris still blaming the woke left radicals for Trump lol ok

@gking407
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Aww I thought this was gonna be about the "best podcast ever"

@cerebraldruid
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Crazy how all of the people who think genes don't matter also think God gave them an Ethnostate.

@Reactnormally
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Didn’t hear anything she said. To distracted by hot for teacher blaring in my head!

@MattyV001
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Wow! An “intellectual” who frequently uses the filler word “like”...

@rickd2140
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Turns out Sam has been a rat forever look into Dialog, someone got secrets

@tap-a-dat961
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Whenever Sam uses the term "woke," he loses credibility. The word means something different for everyone who uses it. You cannot have a logical debate when you're using a term that's undefined. And with the fascist right embracing this term as derogatory towards centrists and liberals, Sam is giving them his approval.

@StepSti
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A scientist who cares more about the good will of colleagues than about the truth is just a failed scientist.

@meisherenow
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Her apology was really bad. It's the classic, "I'm sorry that you felt that way."

@reuben8856
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Meanwhile Ezra is platforming with only the most tepid of pushback on his ideas, the likes of Chris Rufo.

@dhammer5842
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This lady kinda seems to me like she's a super-hero's alter-ego.

@elijaprice
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The whole Charles Murray debacle was unfortunate. I wish that Sam and Ezra could have worked out their differences (or that they can in the future). I recently heard Ezra mention their conflict & say complimentary things about Sam on some other podcast.

Sam is tight with Paul Bloom and his book/campaign "Against Empathy"; ironically, I'm thinking a big part of their falling out & Sam's laying resentment has been due to Ezra lacking "empathy" for the abuse & character assassination Sam suffered, getting unfairly put on the "hate list" from Southern Poverty Law Center, etc.

I agree to some extent with Paul that people can be excessively sensitive, take too much pride in cheering for the underdogs, vicariously "feeling their pain" But I think the insensitive, NON-empathic people on the other extreme cause much more problem in our country & the world.

@musicbymark
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Neither of my parents graduated from high school. I was the oldest (and illegitimate) of four children my mother had with three different men by the age of 24. The house we lived in when I started kindergarten did not have indoor plumbing. We got our water from an outside hand pump .My mother would heat it on the stove so that my siblings and I could bathe in a hard plastic swimming pool on the kitchen floor.

I still remember my kindergarten teacher visiting our home. I sometimes wonder why she made that visit.

I graduated from high school as valedictorian. I was captain of our wrestling team and a three-time state qualifier. No one in my family ever saw me wrestle a match.

I met my biological father for the first time when I was in college studying electrical engineering. I only saw him a few times after that. He was eventually killed by his ex-girlfriend, who shot him through the windshield of her car after he had stopped her along a country road while stalking her.

One of my half-brothers, on my mother’s side, died handcuffed to a hospital bed after being imprisoned for murder.

I went on to earn my BSEE and had a successful 10-year career working for the Air Force as a project engineer. After earning my MBA, I spent another 25 years in a financially rewarding career as an IT consultant. I am now comfortably retired.

I have been married to my wife for 26 years, and we have a 24-year-old daughter who recently earned her master’s degree in education with a 4.0 GPA and was recognized as student of the year in her program. We are a very close family.

I am convinced that genetics is a key factor in one's behavoir. The challenge—and perhaps the most fascinating question—is understanding how those genetics interact with our experiences, including the people that we meet along the way, the opportunities that are presented to us, and the seemingly random events that occur in our lives.

@T_Man-mm9sz
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Ladies and Gentlemen, it is with great fanfare and regalia that I introduce the graduating class of 2026. Humans have entered the Altruistic Age or the Age of Caring. It's not perfect but she would feed soup to her sick family member, I'm sure. Before you get too excited reminder that our loving friends of the last 40k years, canines, have also entered the era and now know how to non-violently convey moral authority over wayward human behavior in addition to all their other incredible, loving support for us. We should have started here not with AI, it was asking too much of people like her. See y'all in about 1M years. #DivergentNine

@Dr.Clove.M.Acevedo
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She’s really lovely. Lots of humility and grace

@cpblair
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Sam's so funny. The smile that passes over his face when he mentions Ibram X. Kendi is gold.

@joedoe783
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Please fellow adult grown women - speak in a mature tonal voice and with the confidence your age and associated wisdom commands. It is not becoming when a grown, intelligent woman, with grey hair talks like a teenage apologist.

@LD-io9zv
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Any scientist that gets defensive about their findings being disproved by science isn’t really a scientist. It’s okay to be embarrassed by critics because that would indicate that the scientist was caught not applying enough critical thought to a given subject where holes were revealed. But realized mistakes are the pathway to learning and perfecting. Any third party that criticizes that person for making mistakes is also missing the point of science. Science should never be conflated with ideology because ideology is not interested in changing its views. Unless that particular ideology is all about changing views to arrive at a greater scientific truth.

@gillyarchtop
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The comment that "children resemble their parents in particular ways, like I think most lay people have an understanding that children are born different from day one in ways that matter for their likelihood of turning out certain ways” is captured quite well by the common common idiom, “the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.”

@T_Man-mm9sz