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How I'd Learn Music Theory (If I Had To Start Over)

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If I could start again, a million miles away...

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Some additional thoughts/corrections:

1) I should note that I do have some experience with external pitched instruments, specifically bass and piano, so if I'd gone the "learn an instrument" route, the takeaway would've been practice those more, not learn them at all.

2) On the suggestion to listen to music from other cultures, I'd add that while that should include traditional practices, it shouldn't only include traditional practices. Many of these cultures are still alive and well, and checking out modern popular styles from around the world can be an eye-opening experience.

— @12tone

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I've spent over a decade of my life learning music theory, and it hasn't always gone smoothly, but I've got so much out of that journey. But what if I could start over? Was there a better way? Knowing what I know now, how would I advise the old 2009 Cory on how to do things better? Or, perhaps more relevantly, how would I advise people who, in 2021, are just starting their own journeys into music theory? I'm not entirely sure, but hopefully this list will help.

thanks

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at 2:26, I think you mean that doubling the frequency (or multiplying by a power of 2) will get you the same not instead of saying the same multiple will get you the same note?

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As a wannabe composer, a tip I can give is don't dive straight into production and messing around with notes without at the very least having a direction to go in. Take inspiration from a song if you have to as long as it gives you some sort of direction you want to take your song in, and as counterintuitive as it may seem, listening to more songs and analysing their sheet music while not actively composing can help you make something, and don't be frustrated when something doesn't sound quite right because perhaps you're right on the edge of making something beautiful.

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Just fantstic. I HAVE a piano teacher currently teaching me music theory but he is smart and I am stupid so trying to learn another way along with my weekly lesson, this was a GREAT start. Thanks.

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What 12Tone said about “be curious about more music genres than what you typically consume.” YES. Please do that. I would rephrase it as, “Keep An Open Mind.” If you walk into the world of music with curiosity, a pencil, and an open mind. You will walk away with tools that become yours to use. That is the beautiful thing about knowledge, there is no scarcity.

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This video is awesome but do you have any tips on learning how to transcribe without any vocal experience

— @loganphares580

Jordan's video: https://youtu.be/VicZB0EJ_sk

Terry Tao interview: https://youtu.be/48Hr3CT5Tpk

Music lesson from Terrance Tao (mathematician)

First phase.

Smash notes together and see what happens intuitively

Phase 2

Learn theory

Phase 3

Use theory and smash notes together again using theory

Great

— @dareactthink

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how did I learn a bit of music theory?

FL studio’s piano roll.

— @Itzarzky

Susan Jones

Jill Jones

9:15 ooooo thanks for the advice and cool vids music theory man!

also left hand rep woohoo!

— @frostboi77

Duck

Howard Levine

1:09 as a rookie abrsm g6 theory student, i have smt to add:

modern music has different kinds of layers to look through than classical, so dissecting the music you love compared to the music you're training with is pretty different.

as such, looking at other people for analysis reference is a really good idea!


watching your videos has been really helpful to get an understanding and examples of what else to look for, thanks for the cool vids! (also left-handed rep, nice!)

— @frostboi77

Ron Jones

Brian Etheredge

So, what you’re saying is that reading Music Theory papers is significantly easier than reading Quantum Computing papers (something I can just about manage with a degree in mathematics)

— @larilille

Khristofor Saraga

Len Lanphar

I'd never been much of a music person until I joined my high school's band in senior year on a whim. Playing music feels so good for your brain and I didn't know what I was missing.
I still know absolute bungus about music, but I'm learning! This is really helpful and accessible! Thanks for encouraging creativity + learning, that's a very cool thing to do :)

— @insnailable

Ken Arnold

Elaine Pratt

You need to learn the rules before you can break them.

— @pauldsheppard126

William (Bill) Boston

Chris Prentice

Whats a 5 1 resolution? Every channel i go to to learn music use phrases and concepts I don’t understand so I spend a bunch of times using a dictionary to try to rap my head around what people are talking about…all I really want to do is chop samples, play some chords tap out rythm and make some beats

— @ThatHueyFreeman

Jack Carlson

Christopher Lucas

music theory is a rabbit whole that leads you into 2 more rabbit wholes, that leads you into 4 more rabbit wholes, and so on

— @vieiradesu

Andrew Beals

Dov Zazkis

how much $

— @PLAYINGTOGETHER-nj8jt

Hendrik Payer

Thomas Morley

Thank you

— @Siamackc

Jacob Helwig

Davis Sprague

You're amazing dude

— @vojtechjirsa3723

Alex Knauth

Braum Meakes

As someone who just learned music theory basics I do not like nor think this approach would have helped at all. I needed the basic building blocks to even begin analyzing anything effectively.

— @Alex-w1c9b

Hendrik Stüwe

Dan Bonelli

All I am looking for is an explaination of why the synth notes at the beginning of the Reading Rainbow theme feel like that, and how I can make sounds that feel the same way.

— @sterling_roth

Kevin Boyce

Allyson

9:54 dont look up dutch, we have a gernre that is called raw style, my friends love it but it is Actual ear r*pe

— @Cpt.Caprisun

Scott Howarth

Luke

I revisit this video every few years and no matter how hard I try to understand, I can’t quite grasp music theory as a concept. Why? Because my brain is very visual and sound oriented, creative, anything with math or science or rules and I get SO confused.

— @Snakepit_Media

Kevin Wilamowski

Kelly Christoffersen

Lots of things in life come down to how much you care. And you can care too much

— @OxybroCone

Symmetry

Nicholas Lennox

Cadences
Orchestratal Listening

— @Loops099

Jake Fisher

Ken Jones

Lost lost and more lost!!! Fast and furious nonsense..or I am too stupid to get what's being explained!

— @geraldjackson1782

Obadiah Wright

Kobalent

And then I guess to your point about production.
Well yeah. No. My production of vocals is not generally based in theory. It just is. And then I need to learn how to produce on other instruments.
But when writers, artists, and bands are producing, (not the engineers and such) do they know or even need to know anything about theory. Were the Beetles really looking at polyrhythms and chromatic cadences. Does Steely Dan actually like mu chords, or was someone just always playing the 2 whenever they were hanging out in a garage.

I would HIGHLY doubt the the vast vast majority of popular artists today ever think of their work in terms of full score transcription. So if they aren’t writing it down, and it’s just Roman numerals on a yellow note pad—is theory real? Or just retroactively imposed?

— @CiaoRooster

Dhruv Monga

Donal Botkin

Ok. But. Umm. Can I ask.

Ok, so a I quite a good singer.
In theory I remember how to play the alto and bari sax, and the recorder, and I have a violin in the corner that I once almost knew how to finger without scotch tape.

But I took music theory 210 in college (and got a B. Maybe a B-?). Where you learn Bach chorales and a little bit of transcription by ear.

I was voted “most musical” in my HS yearbook. But voice, sax, recorder, (most of anything on) violin: you are a mono-melodic voice.

I have never been able to get past that.
I can play a I-vi-IV-V7 (without the 3rd for some reason)-I in the easier keys.
But … ummm
Can you do music theory if you don’t play piano?
Like don’t you need piano so that you can “do” all of the notes in either your fingers, throat, or brain?

— @CiaoRooster

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Jason Nebergall

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Analyze yngwie malmsteen's music. I want to know the theory behind those chord progressions, melodies over those chord progressions. The guitar solos and arpeggios. The way scales are being used etc. I will wait for that.

— @beenay18

Also, thanks to Jareth Arnold and Sofia Sangiorgio for proofreading the script to make sure this all makes sense hopefully!

Analyze yngwie malmsteen's music. I want to know the theory behind those chord progressions, melodies over those chord progressions. The guitar solos and arpeggios. The way scales are being used etc. I will work for that.

— @beenay18

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Hello Corey,

Would you be interested in trying some chromatically inverted Bach?

https://youtu.be/eswwa71Xm4E?si=qk-m0hv7OkzNo-78

regards,

Chris

@BachFlip
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I used to know a lot about Music theory, but in 2010 I had two ischemic strokes which affected my memory, language, and understanding. I'm relearning music theory slowly because my memory and language learning is slowly coming back. Most of the music theory I'm relearning related to songwriting since I'm trying to write a musical.

@reginaldautwell3361
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who is this video for?

@Badbasement
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this video is very motivating. It's difficult to know where to start, making paid courses tempting. But since I play violin, and other instruments, I understand the basics, I can use those free resources and learn without paying. My goal is orchestral composition for free, I think I will get there eventually.

@KenobiAOE
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you being ambidextrous was definitely what I focused on the whole time lol

@coshuloser
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I agree with orchestral listening. I often listen to everything that's going on in a song - drums, keyboard, bass etc.

@Anna-ii3ee
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oki so its good that im trying to teach myself Music theory off Video game music which is increasingly developing a reputation for using a bunch of weird things you dont find really anywhere else (including some very very very strange time signatures)

@IndustrialParrot2816
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"...everywhere" draws a zubat
😆👏🏾

@BeccaLynn-bc2kn
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This was beautifully done.

@IllestCorlew
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Absolutely love the eye of Sauron as the stand in for the source of knowledge ie school lmao

@ProfessorDavidsReliquarium
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For whoever is interested in more free additional resources, The Jazz Piano Site does excellent breakdowns of simple jazz theories which I've been able to learn heaps from starting out

@seanh9882
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Thanks for these tipps, really wanna learn music theory, have been producing as a hobby for only about a year and recently bought my first instrument (an akai rpk midi controller) really explained it great, i hope, idk shit yet haha

@AlmosRIF
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This vid literally helped me a lot❤❤

@jordansmith123-b2p
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For fun I analyze Beatles songs ❤ along with bach😂

@msk806
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I think we should learn what first humans did with words (poem)
Cuz i believe they did it on words then try to make it cooler with sound, noise, pitch ...

@Zinab-x5o
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Post modern music 🎶 🇦🇺

@mht525
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Bro, anywhere else I can find your podcast? I genuinely can't afford nebula. 3rd would country :/

@MrArudark
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3yo video yes but not knowing anything, hearing you go on about 5 1 and I no longer want to watch thos video because I have no idea what you're talking about. I hate YouTube for learning music, and app designed for music 😢

@brucetate8092
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I played the trumpet from 6-8 grade, the brass was whatever but the class was like no other. The first thing I fell in love with is when our teacher would go from woodwind and have them play their part and then over to brass, percussion, base individually. The separation and deconstruction of the song and putting it all together blew my mind every time. I have always listened to music for the full sonic experience. Hearing a song and actively listening to all of its part and pieces. Silly me to think that or not think that there was an actual explanation of what I was experiencing. I’ve always been a nerd and a music nerd but this was my first actual investigation in phenomenon that is music. I’m talking way too much from sheer excitement [to learn more] but thank you for sharing this (I know, I’m late) but I originally came to comment on the way you take notes because [again] I thought I was the only person who retained/experienced/information this way. Okay I’m done thanks again

@duanyswrld